on the anti-US-imperialist left (“tankies”), i wonder if part of Trump’s appeal, perhaps only semiconsciously, is that he’d be openly as bad as they were always sure the United States always was. they’d be proven right, and no more of what they perceived as hypocritical sanctimony.
@interfluidity Both the tankies and #Trump are broadly against war, although tankies are far more principled in that stance than #Trump ofc
I mean, we're talking about a president who made an ally of #TulsiGabbard. You don't see many people more anti-imperialist than her in the #USA government.
@realcaseyrollins anti-imperialist, or pro other empires, our dear Tulsi. Trump portrayed himself as antiwar while campaigning, now he won’t rule out the use of force against Greenland/Denmark and Panama, he promises “all hell is going to break loose” in Gaza Saturday if all hostages are released, openly seeks territorial expansion in a way no US President has for more than a century.
> tankies are far more principled in that stance than #Trump ofc
@realcaseyrollins i’ll believe that when i see more of them disavowing their support for Trump as somehow the lesser evil.
@interfluidity Rooting for the "no new wars" president over the guy who instigated a conflict in the middle east while a completely different one was going on is about at principled as you can be if what you oppose war TBF
@realcaseyrollins i can respect that.
but then i’d expect some expressions of disappointment for a “no new wars” candidate who has now hinted at openly imperialistic military actions that were so far off the table you’d have needed a warp drive to find them a few months ago.
@interfluidity I get you to a point. There were always people in the government calling for the #USA to do even more aggressive actions in #Gaza than what #Trump is willing to cosign. #LindseyGraham is a great example of this.
@realcaseyrollins @interfluidity
Some people would only be happy if he surrendered in advance to everybody.
Some people, of small brain, can't grasp that he took an oath to protect and defend, and that includes American hostages. Some people are too dense to realize that being anti war can only go so far and isn't the same as being a surrender monkey or pacivist.
There are actually people that cant tell the difference between projecting power and war adventurism.
Sadly, these zombies vote.
@Phil @interfluidity I mean yes you are correct but at least antiwar tankies are typically principled, at least when it comes to war (I don't follow tankies that closely in general) so I can respect that ideological consistency.
@realcaseyrollins @Phil i guess i'll respect it when i see it. so far, the folks i know who went for Trump on a supposed ant-imperialist / anti-war line have not been willing to acknowledge any important transgressions. "russiagate" outweighs all of it, they say. it's just his bluster.
@Phil@freeatlantis.com@interfluidity @realcaseyrollins
Well if he actually starts a war, we'll have an opportunity to see how the react to an actual trangression, as opposed to an imaginary one.
@Phil @realcaseyrollins of course i hope i'll have to concede this one to you. god help us we don't need a war now.