“You cannot restrict unfreedom to a particular class of people. It will metastasize to consume the entire society.” @jbouie https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/16/opinion/trump-court-order-constitution.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare ht @jeffjarvis
@Phil @jbouie @jeffjarvis Look. This is just pure sloppiness. You have no idea what I think about the grab bag of cases discussed in this piece. I haven't paid attention to most of them. I think that sending anyone on an indefinite term to a third-world prison no one has ever been released from is something the United States shouldn't do, and especially shouldn't do without due process. 1/
@interfluidity @jbouie @jeffjarvis
what process do you think is due? I think very little for somebody here illegally.
@Phil @jbouie @jeffjarvis Perhaps you can argue not so much process is due for ordinary deportation to a home country in which a person would be a free citizen. I suspect we'd disagree on how much process would be due, but that'd be a less fundamental disagreement. 1/
@Phil @jbouie @jeffjarvis But a whole lot of fucking process is due before "deporting" (really renditioning) someone to a third-country gulag, whose conditions of imprisonment we neither control nor monitor, from which no one is ever released. And a whole lot of process is due prior to deporting a person to a home country after a judicial finding they specifically cannot be deported to that home country on valid legal grounds. /fin
@interfluidity @jbouie @jeffjarvis
The prison only opened in 2023 so the fact that nobody has been released yet is meaningless. It was built for gangs that were running rampant and terrorizing el salvadore. It would be absurd if some were already released.
It's amazing how much you spin things to match your feels.
The judicial finding was obviously bs and rooted in ideology, not law and will be overturned.
Where was the fretting over the J6 People, they're due process was a gross farce
@Phil @jbouie @jeffjarvis "El Salvador's justice minister once said the only way out is in a coffin." https://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-records-show-about-migrants-sent-to-salvadoran-prison-60-minutes-transcript/
Sure, we don't know they never leave. We do know they have no fixed terms, their stay is indefinite and at the discretion of their jailers. That is a violation of any human's rights. If you're judged to have done something so egregious to merit life withour parole, you know it. Otherwise, you know what you owe. 1/
@Phil @jbouie @jeffjarvis All the J6 people had full due process. That doesn't mean I agree with all the prosecutions and outcomes — had I had the discretion of a prosecutor, I might have been more lenient with low-level nonviolent trespassers. But they got lawyers, trials, rights-of-appeal, etc. They did time because they did the crime, even if you think the circumstances of their crime should have exonerated them. /fin
@Phil@freeatlantis.com@interfluidity @jbouie @jeffjarvis
Name one person in the US outside of the J6 People who did time for tresspassing, or were charged with trasspassing and denied bail.
That was a railroading by libs, but that's ok, even if the due process was a sham, because if having a doctorate in hyprocracy is a prerequisite for being a modern liberal.
@Phil @jbouie @jeffjarvis i mean, just ctrl-f the word "jail". it's nearly all trespassing or trumped up "disorderly conduct". https://www.crmvet.org/tim/timhis63.htm
an occupy protester jailed 90 days on trumped up "assault of a police officer" https://www.reuters.com/article/world/us/occupy-wall-street-protester-sentenced-to-90-days-jail-for-assault-idUSBREA4I0K0/
Federalized prosecutions of George Floyd protests. https://m4bl.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/Struggle-For-Power-The-Ongoing-Persecution-of-Black-Movement-by-the-U.S.-Government.pdf
states like FL criminalize association as "riot" and legalize vehicular homicide. https://slate.com/business/2021/04/drivers-hit-protesters-laws-florida-oklahoma-republicans.html