I simplify it to two rules in my communities.
That covers everything.
It depends on how you define “don’t be a dick”. Marxists, of which there are many in the lemmyverse, brand everything with which they disagree as “fascist”, i.e. “being a dick”.
cc: @samael
I’m a socialist libertarian. Disagreement is fine just don’t be a dick.
Capitalism is where the people do most of the work and the wealthy oligarchs/plutocrats get most of the benefit.
Communism is where the people do most of the work and the government/cleptocrats get most of the benefit.
Socialism is where the people do most of the work and the people get most of the benefit.
Libertarianism is FAR more closely aligned with socialism than it is with fascism. The fascists have just coopted libertarianism, Prosperity Libertarianism, to say, “I’ve got mine, fuck you.”
I want the smallest government possible to effectively run the country. I want the government to leave me the fuck alone and not tell me who I can love, fuck, or marry, how I can dress, what I can and can’t do with my body, what I can eat or drink or smoke. I want a government that works FOR the people not against them. I don’t want the government and the police to be the enforcement arm for corporations and the wealthy. I don’t want corporations writing laws to benefit them at the expense of the people. I don’t want the government propping up corporations. If they fail, they fail and another will rise to take their place. If it’s a better it will succeed and survive. If not it will fail and be replaced again. I want unions everywhere. They protect workers and increase productivity.
I’m also smart enough that the only solution to a social problem is a social solution. The US government has spent more than $1.5 trillion dollars since 1976 fighting the “war on drugs” and drugs won. All the war on drugs did was make a bunch of rich people richer.
It seems to me that Socialism is predicated on theft, which Libertarians find abhorrent. Is there some cognitive dissonance going on here?
cc: @samael
How is it theft that the people who do the work enjoy the benefits of that work? Why should the wealthy get 99% of the benefit of the people’s labour? That’s theft. Libertarians DO find theft abhorrent but the people who call themselves libertarians now are Prosperity Libertarians who are to libertarianism as Prosperity Christians are to Christianity. They are NOT libertarians.
I guess we’re done then.
Have a good day.
Socialism is the belief that the product of labor belongs to the people creating it- Workers.
And not to the capital owners who contribute nothing to production.
In that frame of view, the Capitalists steal surplus value from the workers - The difference between wages and the value of product. And as such, taking back the means of production & the spoils of the capitalist parasites isn’t theft, it’s reclaiming of one’s rightful property.
Capital can consist of saved earnings. It is OK to steal such capital?
That’s not what capital means. And frankly, the 0.0001% of the time when someone invests something they’ve actually earned, I don’t care.
We reclaim the remaining 99.999998% of capital for the working class, and I think that’s a solid place to start.
For the longest time, Libertarian was a polite word for Anarchist. Then it was stolen.
And Anarchists are socialists. Libertarian Socialism can then either be Anarchism, or it can be Socialism or Communism which is otherwise anti-authoritarian or skeptical of state power.
You could arguably label someone like Rosa Luxembourg a libertarian socialist.
Yeah, one look at your banner, and it’s very clear that you’re willfully obtuse in this regard. Someone else’s humanity, and right to live freely and peacefully without harassment, isn’t up for debate. The line is pretty easy to identify- “am I dehumanizing someone?”, and if you struggle with that, this isn’t the space for you. If you embrace christofascism, expect pushback.
Trying applying those principles to unborn babies and I won’t think you’re a hypocrite. I don’t mind push back but what I most often encounter from Marxists is censorship. I think deep down they realize that when subjected to reason, their ideology fails.
All the creatures we create are our children. All of them are owed their creator’s unconditional love. But instead, you murder, butcher and eat them. Spare me your crocodile tears for all the babies you don’t really give a shit about.
I was referring to your obvious bigotry towards trans and queer people, but clearly there are all sorts of problems with christofascist views, thanks for highlighting that for me ;) lol at your mentions of “ideology” while simultaneously repeating old canned talking points from alt right propaganda.
No one owes you a platform. In fact, christofascists and those who break the treaty of tolerance very much deserve to be deplatformed. Your views aren’t based on reality or evidence, and only serve to dehumanize.
And FYI, since you brought it up, abortion is a medical procedure that is between a patient and their doctor. A retired “Christian” Navy vet who supports Desantis is the absolute LAST person whose opinions should be respected on that subject.