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sophia_sardegna

Free Speech according to the idea of mostly left-wing oriented operators of Mastodon instances means to permanently exclude at least 500 instances worldwide from the federation because of "wrong opinions".

It took me more than a week of intensive research to find the part of Fediverse that was locked out by the Federation.

Mastodon, contrary to all praise, is degenerating into an even more censored platform than Twitter and Facebook combined.

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@sophia_sardegna Wow, Free Atlantis made the list. It must be very dangerous here.

@sophia_sardegna This is the world they chose. They left twitter because there was too much independent uncensored thought.
@sophia_sardegna Just wait until the UN-controlled ICANN (thanks Obama!) gets involved and starts canceling domain names.

@Hyolobrika @victor

There is no independent internet.

There is always and only a choice between greater and lesser evils in the digital world.

@sophia_sardegna I don't mind people having "wrong" opinions. Most opinions are "wrong", as long as they engage in a civil and polite discussion. Having said that it should be obvious where I draw the line. If you're being a douche intentionally, sorry, you're making it on my block list. We could elaborate further on what would even constitute "free speech", since that is a sore point of contention. I'm open to discussion on this topic any day.

@dusnm

I do not succeed in the "privilege" of being a jerk 🤷🏼

@sophia_sardegna it cannot be "censored" because users can choose any servers and run their own instances. and Mastodon is just a little part of a big Fediverse community which at the moment contains not less than 15000 servers (my count may be not exact, the real number may be more).

@iron_bug

There are always 2 perspectives:

One that addresses a world as it should be and one that addresses a world as it is.

My personal point is that the Fediverse does not deserve the reputation of representing Free Speech when third party opinions are suppressed.

@sophia_sardegna it is. just the term "free speech" is different for every person on the planet. so Fediverse exists in clusters of servers by interests and some irregular connections between them. this does not prevent people from finding like-minded contacts and have their time. this eliminates senseless quarrels, bashing, etc. as an owner of my own server I also may ban separate users if I don't want to read them in my digest line and this is the freedom to read. with freedom to speak goes freedom to listen. and nobody can deprive people of their right to ban what they dislike.

@iron_bug

If I want to block someone, I do it.

ANYONE who thinks they have the right to decide for me what I have to block, or even blocks themself in such a way that I don't see what I want to see, is an infantile, narcissistic fascist who decides arbitrarily and therefore has no idea about freedom.

@iron_bug

And of course, every instance operator can do whatever he wants.

But if he blocks, deletes or disconnects as he sees fit, he is not representing "free speech" and can no longer speak of meaningful participation in a "Fediverse" without leading himself completely to absurdity.

@sophia_sardegna the world has no the way "it should be". there's one good saying: the world is free from your views on it. the idea is that everybody has his own "ideal world" in his imagination and people will never come to agreement which world is better. so it's basically useless to try to do this. Fediverse gave to people a tool for communication. it's very versatile and flexible tool: many platforms, many clients. many interfaces. so everyone can choose to his taste or even write his own realization. it's open source and it's absolutely free for everyone who wants to develop something. so Fediverse is just the reflection of the real world where people are separated in different circles and groups and they communicate with each other in the way they prefer.

@iron_bug

This is fine and should be communicated exactly this way, instead of creating the impression that everyone is actually connected to everyone else, as is currently the case.

THAT is mendacious to the max and disguises the infantile egoism that is leading the Fediverse.

Briefly:

NOTHING in the Fediverse is better than on Facebook,Twitter & Co. - unfreedom is merely better hidden, better camouflaged ...

@sophia_sardegna once again, as I said above: Fediverse has nothing in common with proprietary networks. it is not centralized and not controlled by any single owner or something. and it's not commercial, which is the most important, there's no paid posts and ads. and it's open source - this is very important. I don't use any proprietary software for decades.

@iron_bug

It is controlled by the operators of the instances who arbitrarily decide what you get to see.

And this under the guise of care that pretends to protect against hate.

Hate can then be anything that the respective instance operator defines as such.

This already begins with dissenting opinions, which are suppressed in this way.

Whether it is closed source or open source - the result is identical for all those who do not follow the framing of the masses.

@sophia_sardegna but nobody forces you to pick any certain server. and there're thousands of servers. my server communicates with about 15 000 different servers
@sophia_sardegna and yes, who pays for the server that defines the rules. this is fair.

@iron_bug

You don't understand the underlying problem.

Instead, you beat around the bush like a cat.

Not that there is anything fundamentally wrong with your explanations - they just have no connection whatsoever with the problem I described.

I would like to point out that you cannot be part of a problem and its effective solution at the same time.

@sophia_sardegna you can run your own server and have your own rules.

@iron_bug

I can already do much more, for example, establish a network in which nothing is censored except pure inhumanity.

Especially not opinions that are different from my own.

I take free speech seriously.

@sophia_sardegna but this is only your point of view. other people may have different points.
@sophia_sardegna if you want to get the philosophy of Fediverse first get rid of twitter's "patent for the truth" ideology. we don't have "the proper opinion" here. we have many opinions and they may be contrary. this is ok since Fediverse is not a single unitary system with totalitarian control but thousands of different independent servers that are guided by different people and everybody is free to run his own server if he wants.
@sophia_sardegna and we don't fight for any stupid principles. we don't prove we're the most righteous to all others. we just find alike-thinking people and talk to them.
@sophia_sardegna life is not about big words. it consists of small talks.

@sophia_sardegna
> in which nothing is censored except pure inhumanity.

defining pure inhumanity in a way everyone agrees already is nearly impossible.

this still is the best writeup on free speech imho: blog.freespeechextremist.com/b

@iron_bug

blog.freespeechextremist.comWhat is Freedom of Speech? — FSE Blog
@sophia_sardegna
You are, by default, connected to everyone else, so it is technically not wrong to claim so.
Most instance admins that follow block lists publicly advertise that they do.

@iron_bug

@iron_bug

My instance is on the list... Quite an honor.

I have been operating ~18 months, and have had 3 reports. And they got the reply; "If you think the posts break the law, then please contact the authorities alternatively raise a civil suit against the user."

The speech-sensitive snowflakes were;

mastodon.online
mastodon.social
yiff.life

@sophia_sardegna

@niclas @iron_bug

There is a "secret group" consisting of mainly German, left-wing & socialist-oriented Mastodon admins (instance operators) who specify who, ergo which instance in the Fediverse is to be blocked.

I know someone who has access to this group.

Admins or instance operators who do not follow the prescribed block list and other rules are branded (with their instance).

This is fascism in its purest form.

@sophia_sardegna @niclas @iron_bug When I buy mastodon, such actions will be banned.

@elonmusk @sophia_sardegna @niclas @iron_bug isnt mastodon.cf the one that had nothing but incest porn bots spamming the relays?

@lamp @elonmusk @sophia_sardegna @niclas @iron_bug Well, that's sort of the price of freedom of speech that sometimes there will be people with a different taste than you. Feel free to set up any filter you like to filter out stuff you don't want to see.

@elonmusk @sophia_sardegna @niclas @iron_bug @lbthomsen i dont care but i didnt think mastodon.cf was a legit instance that people actually used. also it doesn't even work..

@niclas @sophia_sardegna the median size of Mastodon server is 28 users. this is statistics. so even instances with millions users do not define the general rules for Fediverse. there're tens thousands servers. and the developers of open source (and Mastodon, partially) stand for giving users the choice to decide themselves about their opinions. so any real or imaginary "secret groups" (I remind numerous conspirologic theories) cannot take the control over Fediverse at any measurable scale. besides, I see many lobbists of proprietary social networks that try to taint Fediverse and they may spread gossips and conspirologic shit like this.

@iron_bug
that there is a group of german leftist fedi admins who are in a competition for maximum wokeness is no secret though :P

then, i blocked these servers for my user, as i only got flames from there never good discussion. so it isn't a problem for me anymore.

@niclas @sophia_sardegna

@iron_bug @niclas

I follow Voltaire, who quite rightly insinuates that unless one defends the opinion of others against censorship in the same way as one defends one's own, one does not stand up for freedom of expression.

EVERY USER, not instance operators, may, should and must be able to decide for themselves with which opinion they agree or disagree.

This also includes that the USER decides which user or which instance he blocks.

@iron_bug @niclas

If an instance operator intervenes, he immediately acts arbitrarily and, as it were, unquestioningly by proxy - is thus not one whit better than Mr Zuckerberg or the respective head of Twitter.

This is not changed by their own moral elevation, because the "right wrong" is suppressed.

@niclas @sophia_sardegna @iron_bug And people wonder why the word “fascism” has lost its meaning. Please explain to me how content moderation fits the definition of fascism. The purest form of fascism centers around subjecting your life to the interests of the state. When we expand the definition so much to include all sorts of nebulous things we risk rendering it meaningless and useless.

@dusnm @niclas @iron_bug

Content moderation must not involve suppressing opinions that differ from narratives.

To forcefully impose narratives as the only valid opinion is fascist.

Incidentally, moderation no longer takes place when dissent has already been suppressed.

@sophia_sardegna @niclas @iron_bug What happens when the dissenting behavior is constructed in such a way to deliberately cause harm? What happens when such behavior is emblematic of entire instances with, at best, unresponsive moderation teams? Should we allow hate and toxicity to fester freely? Where do you draw the line between free speech and speech specifically designed to harm the other individual? These are extremely difficult questions. Nobody said moderation is easy.

@dusnm

I don't think the line is that difficult. I moderate, and the standard reply is very simple; "If you think the user has broken any laws, please contact the police in Germany (my instance's home), or the country where the user lives."

And if I get court order to take down a user's post, I will do that.

@sophia_sardegna @iron_bug

@dusnm

I don't care if someone find someone else's speech so called "hateful". If you yell "Puppies are cute", there are people who will find that "hateful". If you promote "democracy" there are countries where that is against the law.

End of the day, there is no "line"as the line is a subjective construct and irrelevant to "Free Speech" (if that is what one upholds as a guiding star).

@sophia_sardegna @iron_bug

@sophia_sardegna @niclas @iron_bug Also, you're again using the word too easily. Is there any pressure, to subject your own interests to the ones of the instance moderators, or else? Are you branded a traitor for not participating in the dominant narrative? Is your life at risk for being a member of the out group your moderators dislike? Come on, lets not forget what fascism really is.

Fascism is devote your life to the state against an imaginary enemy, or else. You can always switch instances.

@sophia_sardegna
Damn, Germans being fascist. Whoever would have guessed?

@niclas @iron_bug

@sophia_sardegna @niclas @iron_bug @elonmusk It seems you are a nationaliste right ? Yeah, hate has no place in our wounderfull peacefull open minded and made of clever people sharing on mastodon. Return to your hate cave with no light twitter and never come back. They will feed you with fake news and you will ask more because it will give no end to your neverending appetit for hate on something. I will probably meet you under a bridge : youtube.com/watch?v=FMEe7JqBgv Ugly thing you are.

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@Hesperion

Nice of you to post your diary here. I hope you had a safe landing at the end.

@sophia_sardegna @iron_bug

@sophia_sardegna @niclas @iron_bug that's the dumbest piece of text i've seen in like ten days or so. free speech and fascism are about the state, there's little to no state in self-organising social media

@sophia_sardegna Good to see a libertarian defence of free speech.

@sophia_sardegna They can't handle anything outside their smug, libshit circle jerk.